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[mrmagloo]

Anyone know anything about this? I can't quite figure out where this would exactly fit, and if it will work with a '06 SEUC??

http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448775823&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302491575&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302491575&bmUID=1281644140124&bmLocale=en_US

[kraut]

look at "view 2" and you will know 

[mrmagloo]

Well I can see it ports into the TourPak, but seems it would have issues with the removable liner in the CVO's. That liner you can tell has the acorn so it's one of the permanent ones on the Standards.  Also, I'm not sure it'll work with the 06/07 leather Tourpaks.  Sounds like a great idea, but not sure how this would work on a CVO.

[Harleypingman]

Since your bike, and other CVO Ultras have the tour pak mounted amp, and that amp is the same part no. listed in the "won't fit" exclusion, you may not have to consider adapting the bass boost port to your tour pak:

"Fits '06-later FLHTCU, FLHTCUTG, FLTRU and FLHTK models. Also fits models equipped with King Tour-Pak® and Boom! Audio™ Rear Speaker Pod Kit. Does not fit with Boom! Audio™ High Output Sound System P/N 76418-06 or 76418-06A.

Don't know why a port created between the speaker pod and tour pak would be affected by the presence of the amp under the tour pak, but that's what the 76418-06 and 76418-06A reference.

Subsequent to making the statement above, I had an opportunity to review the wiring diagrams for the 2011 amps.  Those amps, unlike the '06 amps, have a CAN BUS connection which allows serial data to be supplied to the amp.

No doubt the '06-'07 would be thicker in cross section (leather cover, plastic, and liner) than a standard tour pak and OEM molded liner.  Also, the shape of your pods is slightly different from the standard Ultra pods.  However, it sounds (pun intended) like a good project to adapt the product to your bike.  Hope you go for it.

Carl

[mrmagloo]

Yes, I looked up that PN but it says a 40 watt amp, not the 80 whatever watt deal we're supposed to have in the CVO's? Yeah, I cannot fathom how that would matter.

For $60 I might just give it a whirl, but I'm not real keen on cutting holes through my removable liner!

[Harleypingman]

Oh, the bottom liner is only about $50 for a new one, and it'd be neat to have the port, if only for conversation purposes.

I incorrectly said that the p/n's for the amp and the p/n's in the exclusion described in the bass port accessory are the same.  They are not the same; the difference in p/n's is due to the exclusion p/n's referring to a KIT that includes the amp, speaker rings, etc.--the amp is a separate p/n, rather than the kit p/n provided in the accessory catalog.

In any event, why that amp on the bottom of the tour pak would have any fitment/performance issue for the bass port remains a mystery.

Carl

[mrmagloo]

OK - Here's the scoop. I was shocked to find the local dealer had one in stock so I picked it up on the way home.

Firstly, I checked the Amp PN on my 06 SEUC and it's 76192-06A - Not the 76418-06(A) (new number is 76000068) they warn against. The reason the amp is involved isn't the physical install. Evidently the radio and/or amp has a built in EQ that cuts the lows below a certain frequency to avoid frying the speakers on the low end. The last step in the install is to have the radio reflashed with a free download to increase the low range. That took me by surprise. Now the question is, is 76192-06A the same as 76418-06(A) or will this flash work with my amp??? Both are versions of the 40x4 HO Amp, so it's a big question mark. Naturally, the dealer had no clue, so before I start hacking away, I'm going to call HD tomorrow and sort this out. I'm not even sure I'll reach someone who can answer this so this might turn into a crap-shoot.

Regarding the install itself, although nothing really lines up correctly with the template for the holes on the leather tourpak, after laying everything out, I think it'll work. You have to remove the speakers and the switches - essentially all of the wiring out of the speaker pods, so that you don't snag anything when drilling the holes. You drill the 2" hole through the tourpack to the rebolted pods, then remove the pod, insert the liner, and drill from the outside in to get the liner hole lined up.

Then bolt everything back together, using the suppled gaskets, and hope that the ports are long enough to make it through the thicker CVO liner. In theory, it should help, and every little bit helps.

[Harleypingman]

Apologies for incorrect information regarding p/n's previously provided.  The amp is one part of the kits referenced in the exclusions identified in the fitment information provided in the bass port accessory.  I corrected my previous post.

Good luck with your installation.

Carl

[Harleypingman]

Now the question is, is 76192-06A the same as 76418-06(A) or will this flash work with my amp??? Both are versions of the 40x4 HO Amp, so it's a big question mark. Naturally, the dealer had no clue, so before I start hacking away, I'm going to call HD tomorrow and sort this out. I'm not even sure I'll reach someone who can answer this so this might turn into a crap-shoot.

The 76192-06A amp is the same one included in the 76418-06A kit.  Your local dealer's parts person can enter the amp part number on HD's intranet and it will show the amp, and the kits the amp is included in; the 76418-06A kit will show up.  I did this with my local dealer this a.m.

Carl

[mrmagloo]

Yeah, I'm actually on hold with the HD tech's and they are scratching their heads. I asked that very question, but they seem to think it's a different amp, even though I pointed out both PN's reference the same Amp spec's.  From there, the question is, if the amp is not compatible, what exactly does that mean? Could it mean that the HO amp didn't have the low cut to begin with, so it's a non-issue? 

Seems to me, if the HO amp had a low cut filter, then that would already be compromising the top end J&M stuff I just installed with the 7.25's and even their 250w amp, as that's a high pass. This whole EQ filtering stuff kind of caught me off guard, so irregardless of whether this new EQ will work with my amp, I need to get a little deeper on this. I'm suspecting that I can get the kit to work physically with the 06/07 tourpack, and the EQ flash will just not be needed.  I'll share what I hear.

[Harleypingman]

Give Iron Cross Audio a call; Tony probably knows more about the HK head unit, its software, etc. than anyone easily reached at MOCO:

http://www.ironcrossaudio.com/

Carl

[mrmagloo]

I'm sure he does, but I hate to bug him with something that won't result in a sale for him.

Anyway, the folks at HD are still scratching their heads. Once I told them that the pod to tourpack bolts don't exactly line up, they suddenly said the kit won't work with the CVO's then? What??  I had to explain that physically it will work if I change the bolt holes in the gaskets. No big deal. I'm really only trying to sort out this EQ cut & Flash stuff, and determine if it's even pertinent.  They are going to review this all with the product manager and call me back later today.

This whole thing makes me wonder, if they do have a EQ installed in their amps that cuts certain frequencies, that would undermine every aftermarket vendor, so you would think this would be am issue that would need to be resolved with any upgrade? I mean if they are cutting everything below 80hz, that would make a big deal with the high end up grades out there that still use the stock head unit and amp on a high pass. You would think that J&M, Hog Wired, Hog Tunes, etc, would be all over this??  Especially J&M as they work pretty closely with HD already. Maybe I should call them?

[StrokedRider]

<<<<<Watching with interest>>>>> Good Luck with the "We don't support Modifications" thing!

[mrmagloo]

Well just got off the phone with a front line tech at J&M and got the deer in the headlights. This is getting elevated to their R&D folks. Seeing I already have their high end 7.25's and matching rears, with the 250w amp on the way, this definitely opens an interesting discussion. Like I said, I was shocked to read that modified EQ reflash in the instructions which kind of opened a can of worms. Once all is said and done, I'm suspecting that the HO amps don't have the low end cut, but then, why would they say this kit won't work with these Amps? You would think it would simply be a non-issue in that case, so that isn't exactly reconciling logically.

I'll keep updating as I work this through.

[mrmagloo]

Well, I got the official word back from Harley - My amp cannot be reflashed to 'enable' the full benefit of installing this kit. At which point I stated that if the HO amp has a hard coded low end cut built in, why in the heck isn't this mentioned with ALL of the other higher dollar audio 'upgrades' you guys are hawking? You guys are advertising upgraded BOOM speakers with enhanced frequency response, even including graphs showing lower lows, all which have no warning whatsoever that that the amp won't pass the additional frequency range. WTF is with that??

The unhelpful rep stated that they would no longer talk to me about the issue, and if I wanted to pursue this, I should talk to my dealer - who we already know has no idea about this all, and really would have no vested interest in getting in the middle of a HD bonehead situation. Gosh, I'm getting a little ticked off about HD constantly telling me to take a hike when logical questions pop up.

We'll see what J&M has to say.